Template talk:Asia topic

Taiwan and South Ossetia

Shouldn't the ROC (Taiwan) be placed after South Ossetia? 218.250.143.16 (talk) 06:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

No, because Republic of China, which is the official name that we use on Wikipedia, begins with R. Quigley (talk) 06:49, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

It's conventionally sorted under #T on Wikipedia. 218.250.143.16 (talk) 09:44, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorting under R is ridiculous.

Sorting under F would be ok since we used to call the country Formosa after the island.

T is the natural sort.

Even if someone insists on Republic of China, Republic is just an attribute, and the sort would be on C.

No one sorts Australia under C (for Commonwealth of ...). Or Canada under D. Or South Africa or Mexico under U.

Varlaam (talk) 19:42, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Agree. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 15:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Nagorno-Karabakh --> Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

Hi, could Nagorno-Karabakh please be changed to Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. It's listed under "states with limited recognition" and Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is the state, while Nagorno-Karabakh is just the geographical area. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 14:39, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

It's a bit trickier than that. "Nagorno-Karabakh" is often used as a shortform name for the state, which is used for most states on this list. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

{{Asia topic}} and {{Telephone numbers in Asia}} refers to Telephone numbers in Nagorno-Karabakh

{{Europe topic}} and {{Telephone numbers in Europe}} refers to Telephone numbers in Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

Presumably, one or the other - Europe or Asia - needs to be fixed. -- 80.42.236.111 (talk) 21:48, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Weird. This should be pipelinked to the NKR at the least, like the Burma (Myanmar) link. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:30, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd be happy with a pipelink for the moment, but in the long run {{Asia topic}} and {tl|Europe topic}} should become consistent. Jenks24 (talk) 05:43, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree with that end goal. There's a larger problem with these templates though, in that there is no consistency in the use of "the" before the name in article titles and text. Some do, some don't. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 06:34, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure about a pipe. In the end it might cause more confusion that it solves. It would be better to decide which form we want to use and then update either this template or {{Europe topic}} to match. Chipmunkdavis: you may be right about there being no consistency, but as long as there is redirect in the other place, the navigation link will work. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:46, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, if we have to decide, my vote (or "!vote") would be for Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, as that's the actual name of the state and it's listed as a state. Otherwise it would be similar to using America instead of United States. Jenks24 (talk) 19:40, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd vote for Nagorno-Karabakh as a common short name of the state, otherwise it would be similar to using United States of America when you could simply use United States. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:19, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I've posted at Template talk:Europe topic to try to get some more opinions on this. In the meantime I am disabling the {{editprotected}}. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:51, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Just plain Nagorno-Karabakh.`

We do not use "France" to refer to a geographical remnant of the Frankish Empire, and "French Republic" to refer to the state which lies therein. Because that would be dumb.

Enough with this "purist" silliness.

Varlaam (talk) 19:55, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Egypt Should not be in the List

I wonder why Egypt is in the list whereas it's in Africa geographically? OnesimusUnbound (talk) 09:22, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Never mind, I just realised that Sanai is part of Asia :) OnesimusUnbound (talk) 09:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

It still have to be removed from the template since it is always considered an African state. The template also needs to be edited since the first list is too wide.--Wisamzaqoot (talk) 12:14, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Template talk:Navbox#Wrapping issues. nb: Sinai, and it's in both. Alarbus (talk) 13:21, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

The same is true for Yemen, which is partially in Africa. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 15:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Dependencies

• As a note, the IP proposing in this section was blocked as a sock if that changes the result of any discussion or content. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

Akrotiri and Dhekelia

Should it be added under dependencies? We already have Cyprus on the list. There's no reason not to include Akrotiri and Dhekelia. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 15:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

How many articles do we have on Akrotiri and Dhekelia? Nightw 16:02, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Many tiny dependencies got quite few articles. But we recognise their existence and list them separately on this or other similar navboxes. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 16:52, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Our criteria for inclusion normally follows ISO 3166-1 unless there are enough articles to warrant adding another. Nightw 17:11, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Is its political status as a British dependent territory determined by ISO 3166-1? 218.250.159.25 (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Anomie⚔ 03:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

To add Akrotiri and Dhekelia to the group for dependencies, in addition to Christmas Island, Cocos Keeling Islands, etc. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 12:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

In that case, Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. Anomie⚔ 14:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It's more a policy matter since editors tend to insist to stick with ISO 3166-1, and effectively disregarding the actual political status of this territory. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 18:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Dependencies and other territories

Should it be shortened to dependent territories or simply dependencies? 218.250.159.25 (talk) 15:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

No, as editors complain "But Hong Kong isn't dependent, it's part of China!" CMD (talk) 10:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

It's a dependency of the People's Republic, as much as the Falklands, Gibraltar and the Isle of Man are to the UK, or Guam and Puerto Rico are to the US. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. Anomie⚔ 14:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's possible to establish any consensus, since few editors actually want to discuss on such a lesser-known topic. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 18:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

BIOT

Should the BIOT be added? 218.250.159.25 (talk) 05:00, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

No, see A&D CMD (talk) 10:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Its code is IO, and its having articles such on its geography, government, commissioner (de facto head of state), police, airport, stamps, flag, and coat of arms. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

True true, I should be more awake, my apologies. Seems to fit our criteria then. CMD (talk) 21:09, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Done Someone should check uses and create any necessary redirects if redlinks were created. Anomie⚔ 14:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Could you add the "the" parameter too, btw? 218.250.159.25 (talk) 18:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

If you want something else added, please start a new request and clearly specify what it is you are wanting done. I see nothing anywhere here saying what a "the" parameter would do. Anomie⚔ 00:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

BIOT requires the article "the" in front of it in titles, like Czech Republic. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 03:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Or like "the Republic of China", "the Cocos (Keeling) Islands", and so on in this same template. I've added the "the" in the same way as for those other countries. Anomie⚔ 03:56, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘(outdent) Thanks. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 12:02, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Row merge proposal

Let's just merge rows into a single row, states and territories. The reader doesn't care about these multiple rows because it doesn't group articles in a meaningful way. --Bxj (talk) 15:50, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Depends on the topic. I assume articles such as "Government of x" will have a distinction. What is probably the main issue is that some eidtors would not like seeing states like Abkhazia near the others. CMD (talk) 16:06, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

The dependencies group can be simplified as proposed above. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 18:55, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Coding move

{{editprotected}} The {{#if:{{{countries_only|}}}|foo}} coding needs to be moved from list 2 to list 3. CMD (talk) 14:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Done Reaper Eternal (talk) 19:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Israel is a state with limited recognition

See List of states with limited recognition. It should be listed in that subsection of the template. Can't edit it myself as the page is protected for only admin editing? Help please. Tiamut^talk 21:18, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I think the intent of the section is to list states with very limited recognition, like Transnistria or Northern Cyprus. It would be POINTy to put, say, South Korea, which is just not recognized by North Korea, in the same category as Transnistria. Israel is somewhere in between, but it seems like the great majority of states recognize its statehood, so I disagree with listing it in the "limited" subsection. Shrigley (talk) 21:25, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Let me second that. Jeff Song (talk) 21:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

That's not very NPOV. Palestine is recognized by 129 (66.8%) of the 193 member states, and Israel is not recognized by 32, so the difference between them isn't very large. Tiamut^talk 21:31, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Palestine is not a UN member, and is not a sovereign state, yet. But thanks for confirming the POINTy nature of your request. Jeff Song (talk) 21:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict):::::Its not POINTy at all. I'm trying to understand why the section for States with limited recognition on this template uses a set of criteria that differs from our article on that subject. You are arguing that lack of UN membership and lack of sovereignty are the key defining characteristics here right? Thanks for clarifying your position. My position is states listed in our article on the subject should be included in that section here. Tiamut^talk 21:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Not POINTy, huh? Are you also saying we should move China, both Koreas, Armenia and Cyprus down to the second section? Funny how I missed that. Jeff Song (talk) 22:03, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't necessarily oppose putting Palestine in the "sovereign states" subsection, but I can anticipate some objections based on the PLO's lack of effective sovereign control over its claimed territory, lack of participation in international institutions (though this is changing), etc. But the contrastive subsection title is "states with limited recognition", implying that our criteria is constitutive. It might be worthwhile clarifying which criteria we are using to sort the states. UN membership sounds reasonable. Shrigley (talk) 21:39, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Some clarification would be nice yes. But why should it differ from our main article on this subject? Tiamut^talk 21:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Yep, Israel belongs in the first section, not the second. CMD (talk) 21:40, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion, would you like to elucidate a rationale? Tiamut^talk 21:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

For the same reason Armenia, China, and Korea 1 and 2 do, they're integrated members of the international community. They're separated on our main article for a reason. CMD (talk) 01:22, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Marking Israel as a state with limited recognition would be sweet.

The only thing sweeter would be when an IDF soldier is court-martialed for shooting a 12-year-old Palestinian girl, twice, he isn't automatically exonerated because he was acting reasonably.

US sailors sunning on a deck. Hit 'em with the napalm!

Middle-aged Turks running away. Shoot 'em in the back; it's self-defence.

Mark Israel as limited; maybe then they'll behave like the civilized place they are constantly telling us they are.

Sorry that any honest discussion of Israel will automatically by POINTy.

They bring it on themselves. Varlaam (talk) 15:22, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Parliament [sic] of Asia

There is more than one.
Perhaps we could see a plural there?
Cheers, Varlaam (talk) 15:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Update link request

The link to 'Environmental issues in the People's Republic of China' needs to be updated to 'Environmental issues in China'. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 08:08, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Oy, this is a complicated template! Amend the above request to update from 'People's Republic of China' to 'China'. And add a related request, update link from 'Republic of China' to 'Taiwan'. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 08:44, 24 April 2012 (UTC)