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Fox News Confused, Baffled By The Moon

July 28, 2011 12:51 pm ET by Simon Maloy

The ancient Aztecs believed that the moon was the severed head of the goddess Coyolxauhqui. According to legend, the deity led an attack on her pregnant mother, Coatlicue, only to be confronted by Huitzilopochtli, who sprang fully armored from Coatlicue's womb, decapitated his half-sister, and threw her head into the night sky.

Apparently, this legend is just about on par scientifically with Fox News' understanding of the moon.

Yesterday, Fox News anchor Jon Scott invited Bill Nye ("The Science Guy") to talk about newly discovered volcanism on the moon. Scott, for reasons that aren't entirely clear, asked if the existence of a volcano on the moon somehow casts doubt on climate change science: "It's not like we've been up there burning fossil fuels." Nye, clearly taken by surprise, patiently and slowly explained to Scott that, no, volcanoes have nothing to do with fossil fuels:

Scott's lunar confusion comes on the heels of celebrated astrophysicist Bill O'Reilly's famous query: "How'd the moon get there? Who put it there?" O'Reilly, you'll recall, had argued that the rising and falling of the tides prove the existence of God, and was lashing out at the "pinheads" who rightly noted that the moon's gravity was actually responsible for tidal movement. And the moon, it turns out, most likely "got there" when a huge celestial body collided with earth about 50 million years after it first formed, ejecting loads of debris into space which accreted into what today we know as the moon.

The question now is why Fox News is having such monumental and comical trouble adhering to basic scientific facts about the moon. I'm afraid we may never know -- as O'Reilly famously put it: "You can't explain that."

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    • Author by Proud Lefty (July 28, 2011 12:53 pm ET)
         
      Good God, the stupid....it hurts so bad. Please make it stop!
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    • Author by MJPollard (July 28, 2011 1:00 pm ET)
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      And as Ron White so famously put it, "You can't fix stupid."
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      • Author by Bad News (July 28, 2011 1:43 pm ET)
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        MJPollard, If it Ain't Broke Don't Fix it?
        I think Fox News likes being Stupid & having a Kanipshit
        Just look at "Billo the Comb-Over", Only a Muslim can be a Terrorist?
        Apologise to Andrea Mackris Billo & proclaim above your Wife that she is the fairest.

        Speak truth to power.


        Mr. News
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        • Author by bemusedly (July 30, 2011 9:01 am ET)
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          As Charlie Sheen loves crack and booze,
          So bad verse is loved by Mr. News.
          He thinks he's a wit--he's wrong by half.
          Speak truth to power? Don't make me laugh.

          Speak truth to lousy versifiers.

          Mr. Bemusedly
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      • Author by kamrom (July 28, 2011 2:20 pm ET)
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        I watched the video. The moment climate change came up as a serious topic in their conversation, I cried for a while, then turned the video off.

        I have very little to say. But If I were asked for a response to that, this is the best, clearest i can possibly manage:

        WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY.
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        • Author by cripto9t709 (July 28, 2011 3:45 pm ET)
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          I can't watch fox clips, they make my head hurt.
          But the usual argument I hear against wind and solar energy is "the wind don't blow" and "the sun don't shine" all the time. When I bring up "Smart Grids", they go really stupid, "government telling me when to wash clothes!" and "Al Gore ponzi scheme to make zillions!!"

          Fox has dumbed these people down to imbeciles and I have no sympathy for most of them.
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        • Author by Rachelium (July 29, 2011 12:38 pm ET)
             
          Lol @ the Morbo reference. Almost spit tea all over the monitor.

          But ahh, the ridiculousness. Fox is on the 'blocked' list of channels at home, for sure. Kudos to Bill Nye for his monumental patience.
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      • Author by Egbert Souse (July 28, 2011 2:28 pm ET)
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        Follow up questions for Jon Scott to Bill Nye:
        1. How far is up?
        2. If Optimus Prime, Mothra and Godzilla all fought, who would win?
        3. If a dog can hear a dog whistle, why can't penny hear a penny whistle?
        4. Do squirrels have souls?
        5. Is stupid is as stupid does?
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        • Author by MiniTru (July 28, 2011 2:40 pm ET)
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          6. Why do we drive on the parkway, but park in the driveway?
          7. Why does one play at a recital, but recite at a play?
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          • Author by MJPollard (July 28, 2011 3:02 pm ET)
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            8. Did she really want him?
            9. What had he done to deserve this bounty?
            10. Does God exist?
            11. Who invented liquid soap and why?
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            • Author by MiniTru (July 28, 2011 7:40 pm ET)
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              Oh, I know the answer to part of 11: It was invented to clean liquids!
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            • Author by jonjstrine42 (July 28, 2011 11:59 pm ET)
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              12. If women ran the world, would missles be shaped differently?
              13. Why do we call Wednesday "Hump Day", when most people do that on the weekends?
              14. Where did they get all the clothes on Gilligan's Island? Who packs that much for a three hour tour?
              15. Follow-up to #14: If the professor could build a golf cart for the Howells and make a radio out of coconuts, why could he just fix the (bleep)in' boat?
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              • Author by jonjstrine42 (July 29, 2011 12:01 am ET)
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                Sorry. Meant "why couldn't he just fix the (bleep)in' boat?"
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                • Author by m.welker (July 29, 2011 10:21 am ET)
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                  It would hurt ratings.
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                  • Author by usp (July 29, 2011 12:28 pm ET)
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                    and for you physics majors out there- if i drive my car at the speed of light, what happens when i turn on the headlights?
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                    • Author by NotSure8 (July 29, 2011 3:05 pm ET)
                         
                      They won't come on, because you are expending infinite energy just to keep the ship moving at that speed. Of course, you wouldn't be alive to turn them on because the life support also wouldn't be working.
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                    • Author by Quiet Tom (July 30, 2011 4:23 pm ET)
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                      You had already turned them on.
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              • Author by michaels (July 29, 2011 2:38 am ET)
                   
                16. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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              • Author by proterozoic (July 29, 2011 10:05 am ET)
                   
                16. What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
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              • Author by wavydavy (July 29, 2011 12:45 pm ET)
                   
                If tin whistles are made of tin, what do they make fog horns from?
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        • Author by yoiksaway (July 29, 2011 3:17 am ET)
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          Answer: the moon is made of cheese.
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    • Author by Imbecile (July 28, 2011 1:02 pm ET)
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      OMG, the moon causes the tides!

      Someone call Bill-o!
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    • Author by galmud (July 28, 2011 1:07 pm ET)
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      It's really one of the stupidest questions on this subject I've ever heard. And does he think volcanoes are caused by burning coal or what the hell is he talking about
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      • Author by wookie (July 28, 2011 1:12 pm ET)
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        Remember Fred Willard's absurd questions to the British judge in Best in Show? Now Fred looks like a genius.
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      • Author by michaels (July 29, 2011 2:41 am ET)
           
        Does he think scientists blame climate change for the creation of volcanoes?
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    • Author by wookie (July 28, 2011 1:10 pm ET)
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      As usual Fox's arguments don't really have to make sense. They only have to seem to make sense to the yokels.
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    • Author by nerzog (July 28, 2011 1:15 pm ET)
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      Well, in Scott's defense, I think one of his fellow FOXtards floated the argument some time ago that Venus has been the victim of extreme global warming without human activity.

      Scott was probably fumbling around in his binary little brain and pulled out that little bit of irrelevant bullsh*t and combined it with Blimpy's frequent statement that volcanoes cause more global warming than people do.

      It makes sense if you don't think about it.
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      • Author by kamrom (July 28, 2011 2:24 pm ET)
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        A Volcano causes more global warming than A person, unless that person is a rightwinger, in which case, the volcano looks a little pathetic. And yeah, you could tell he was..somewhere else. I mean he actually said millions of years. I thought that if a republican admitted to the earth being more than 6K years, the snipers would set in before the words escaped their lips
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        • Author by kamrom (July 28, 2011 3:31 pm ET)
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          I have to stop posting about 10 minutes after I wake up in this ridiculously hot state. I start to look insane...and not the GOOD kind of insane either. Mania and Dementia are always such a hard choice.
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      • Author by jibal (July 29, 2011 9:13 pm ET)
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        Well, in Scott's defense, I think one of his fellow FOXtards floated the argument some time ago that Venus has been the victim of extreme global warming without human activity.


        That's a defense, that he can't even get a fallacious (affirmation of the consequent) argument right?
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    • Author by takemycountryback (July 28, 2011 1:21 pm ET)
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      Good god what a bunch of fu**ing morons over there at FOX. I can't say it enough.
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    • Author by takemycountryback (July 28, 2011 1:22 pm ET)
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      What I wonder is are they really that dense or do they just play like that for the cameras. This is what I want to know.
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      • Author by Imbecile (July 28, 2011 1:30 pm ET)
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        But think about it: if they are just playing, it's to placate their audience, who actually are that stupid. And they're angry.

        That level of stupidity coupled with anger is a very dangerous mix. And Fox News just keeps egging them on.
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    • Author by Spooky Dooooooooood (July 28, 2011 1:24 pm ET)
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      FOX presenter Jon Scott would also like Bill Nye to explain why we can't see the flying horses that pull the Sun across the sky.
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      • Author by galmud (July 28, 2011 1:27 pm ET)
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        Well if not horses, does that not mean God moves the Sun?
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        • Author by Spooky Dooooooooood (July 28, 2011 1:40 pm ET)
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          Of course he does, and at night he keeps it in an asbestos lined box until the next morning. Don't ask me how he pulls off the 24 hour days on the north pole.
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          • Author by kamrom (July 28, 2011 2:29 pm ET)
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            Dont be silly. Republicans took care of that; it was inefficient after all. NOW its pulled by an iraqi oil fire being pulled by a tractor.
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    • Author by worrierking (July 28, 2011 1:26 pm ET)
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      Since they were discussing volcanology, I was surprised that the Fox host didn't bring up Mr. Spock.
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    • Author by Jim Nauseam (July 28, 2011 1:56 pm ET)
         
      Is Jon Scott trying to argue that the moon's ATMOSPHERE is getting hotter because of volcanic activity? Seriously?
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    • Author by tspang (July 28, 2011 1:59 pm ET)
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      Was it a stupid question? Of course it was, and I bet that Jon Scott knew it was too.

      The poor guy had probably been suffering through the segment, anxiously awaiting an opportunity to fulfill Sammon's orders to say something, anything, negative about climate change, figured time was running short, and had to throw something out there.

      I wonder if his producers will be upset with his ham-fisted hackery. Maybe they'll just be happy that he tried.
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      • Author by kamrom (July 28, 2011 3:38 pm ET)
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        I'd say the latter. that was pretty impressive really. I was expectign a lot of stupid things when i read media matters headline. I was NOT expecting that. I had to make sure I hadnt taken the crazy pill today. Because someone's taking that damn pill, and the whole problem is you cant remember if youre the one who did, because if you did, you're crazy.

        Why did we invent that thing anyway? It feels like a mistake.
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      • Author by jibal (July 29, 2011 9:15 pm ET)
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        I bet that Jon Scott knew it was too


        You would be broke by now if you actually paid off on such bets.
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    • Author by dogbreath (July 28, 2011 2:46 pm ET)
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      This is EPIC stupid, even for FOX. A new one to add to my ever expanding file.
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    • Author by beDecent (July 28, 2011 3:13 pm ET)
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      Hahahaha. This is funny. I mean, it's one thing to argue against the Big Bang Theory and I guess even evolution, but the moon? ...Ahhhahahahaha. Do Fox personalities sacrifice someone each morning to ensure the sun rises, too?
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      • Author by kamrom (July 28, 2011 3:40 pm ET)
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        well of course. But republicans are traditionalists, so they will only sacrifice mexicans. Thats why they never try to stop immigration for real -- if you wanna please the aztec sun god, you're gonna need some aztecs. If we cant get them, we'll have to use their descendants.

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    • Author by cripto9t709 (July 28, 2011 3:52 pm ET)
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      Tide goes in, tide goes out.

      What?

      Bill "Baffled" me with science!
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    • Author by liberskull (July 28, 2011 3:56 pm ET)
         
      It's made of cheese.
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    • Author by OHBROTHER58 (July 28, 2011 5:11 pm ET)
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      Fox News Confused, Baffled By The Moon

      This may be my favorite headline ever on MMFA. I picture O'Reilly, Hannity, and the others grunting frantically and throwing rocks at the moon.
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    • Author by reanna-mator (July 28, 2011 7:35 pm ET)
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      The moon had erupting volcanoes "a few million years ago?"

      Gods help us.
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      • Author by usp (July 29, 2011 12:33 pm ET)
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        you could have seen it from your cave- had you been on your pet dino...
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    • Author by YouTubeJEFF9K (July 28, 2011 9:23 pm ET)
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      A scientist on Fox News? That's like Satan appearing on the religious channel - before religious channels became Republican, of course.
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      • Author by WoodNYC (July 29, 2011 10:17 am ET)
           
        "A scientist" It's Bill Nye the Science Guy we are talking about here. He's not exactly a nobel laureate in quantum physics. (Not to take ANYTHING from his very successful career) I remember him fondly as the guy on PBS teaching basic science to children. And on that note I now know why he was on FOX. Who better to try and educate those idiots than someone who made a career out of simplifying science for toddlers and pre-teens.
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    • Author by Mr Blifil (July 28, 2011 11:59 pm ET)
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      One of the greatest MMFA posts ever. Thank you.
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    • Author by CatsRBigLuv (July 29, 2011 12:50 am ET)
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      Simon, that was a GREAT article!!! Very well said!
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    • Author by michaels (July 29, 2011 2:47 am ET)
         
      Bill Nye has an amazing ability to explain science elegantly in a format approachable even to young undeveloped minds.
      It's great Fox is providing him with another venue for his unique talents.
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    • Author by Mortrialus (July 29, 2011 4:52 am ET)
         
      There is a problem with the article. The Moon is thought to have formed when a huge celestial body collided with Earth approximately 4.53 Billion years ago, not 50 Million. Please issue a correction. I think we can all agree that people who can correct errors and admit mistakes and admit being wrong are very appreciated. Please prove once again how superior Media Matters is to Fox News by actually correcting your mistake.
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    • Author by OHBROTHER58 (July 29, 2011 8:18 am ET)
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      On an episode of the "Beverly Hillbillies", Jethro is reading a comic book about "moon men". (This episode was filmed in about 1966, before the first American lunar landing). Ellie Mae tells Jethro, "Aw, there aint no such thing as moon men." Jethro self-righteously waves the comic book in Ellie's face and says, "You dumb girl! Why would they put it in a book if it wasn't true?!"

      I think Fox News should be re-named "The Jethro Network".
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      • Author by rtejon (July 29, 2011 7:35 pm ET)
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        Jethro had his moments. He once postulated that aging people not only get hardening of the arteries, but also hardening of the head.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 29, 2011 1:33 pm ET)
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      Well... it's simple. There's a very simple way to explain ALL of their inability to understand all things LUNAR:

      LUNACY

      Which pretty much explains EVERYTHIGN ELSE abotu them as well!

      MUST BE A FULL MOON OUT!

      ---------------------------------------
      IMHO
      UTOPIA
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    • Author by rtejon (July 29, 2011 7:39 pm ET)
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      Their coverage seems to suggest that lunar volcanism in general is something previously unknown. Scientists have known for a long time that the Moon had basaltic volcanoes; what's new is the discovery of silicate volcanoes.
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      • Author by secoff (July 31, 2011 9:34 am ET)
           
        In their defense, they thought that the first was where we get table salt from, and the second is what female pectoral implants are made from.
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