Talk:Northern Ontario

Boundaries

Re "Most of Northern Ontario was transferred to the province from the Northwest Territories in 1882 and 1912, although the area immediately adjacent to the Great Lakes was already part of Ontario in 1867." I would like to change this but need the opinion of others. My understanding of the famous Ontario Boundaries question is that is involved exclusively Northwestern Ontario. The area north and west of the Lake Superior - Hudson Bay watershed was in dispute between the Ontario government and the Dominion government. Sir Oliver Mowat took it to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council and won his case in 1884. It was enacted into law by the Imperial Parliament in 1889, although Ontario quickly moved in 1885 to create Rainy River District. Thus, the Dominion government could not "transfer" any land which it never legally owned. The area of Northwestern Ontario draining into Lake Superior was never in dispute (that includes Sault Ste Marie over to the US border at Pigeon River (Minnesota-Ontario)) which was always part of Upper Canada and the Province of Canada. The Hudson's Bay Company recognized the jurisdiction of Canadian authorities in this watershed, and the Province of Canada was granting mining permits around Thunder Bay in the 1840s. The 1912 extension was quite different as this land clearly belonged to the Dominion government as part of the Hudson's Bay Company territories transferred to Canada in 1880 by the Imperial government. I am not aware the boundaries of Northeastern Ontario were in dispute after 1867.--BrentS 18:00, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The original boundary of Ontario in 1867 ended only very slightly north of where the Ontario-Quebec border now stops following the Ottawa River/Lake Timiskaming waterway. It then followed a very variable line never much more, and mostly much less, than 120 kilometres north of the Great Lakes. The area where Timmins is now, for example, did not belong to Ontario in 1867, and was part of the 1880s dispute. (And Timmins is in the northeast.) I'd support posting a historical map that shows the boundary expansion of Northern Ontario, if somebody can make one or knows where to locate a suitable existing map in the public domain. Bearcat 20:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Vastly different from rest of province

What proof is there to back up this statement? Not opinion but solid documented proof from reputable sources.--BrentS 02:31, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

As a person who resides in Northern Ontario, the above statement is the equivalent of asking somebody to prove that rural Florida is vastly different from Miami. It is blindingly obvious in every conceivable way, from geology to flora to demographics.208.96.101.7 (talk) 00:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

But isn't that just another way of saying "rural areas are different from urban areas?" If you can't explain to an outside how it's different, but are instead simply restating the "blindingly obvious" then what's the point? To mark your turf?208.68.128.90 (talk) 20:44, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. How is Northern Ontario socially or politically "vastly" different than the rest of Ontario? Socially what makes it different? I moved a sliver into a culture section here, but there so far hasn't been much on here that indicates any sort of "vast" difference in society between Northern and Southern Ontario. Politically they vote in the NDP or Liberals, which is not distinctly different beyond being different than how most rural areas in Southern Ontario have voted. Granted they have a political party dedicated to greater representation, which differs from Toronto, but both have had newspaper articles that have called for their independence. So I don't see what is politically different about Northern Ontario from any other part of Southern Ontario (including the rural areas of Southern Ontario). 216.249.56.54 (talk) 20:39, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Environment Regions

Some information about the different environmental regions would be nice here. There is no mention of the huge bogs, the bugs, etc. --207.81.225.190 09:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Contradictory areas

The second sentence of the introduction to this article claims > 1,000,000 km², while the infobox claims 793,156.42 km², though this lacks a source as well. I'm inclined to trust the latter for two reasons: 1. Looks like a more precise number ("looks good") 2. Seems to be in better agreement with the Ontario article. Looking at the infobox in this article, I find it hard to believe that 92.9% or more of Ontario is northern Ontario. This claim, however, goes back to nearly 3 1/2 years ago (will be 3 1/2 years six days from now), to the very first version of this article. I'm very surprised this claim has lasted this long.

Regardless of which number is correct, it needs to be specified if this is total area or just land area, and (like the rest of the article), sources would be helpful (in fact, they are required). Thanks. Ufwuct 19:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

It should be noted that land area and total area aren't necessarily the same thing; Northern Ontario has a lot of water. Bearcat 21:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I just thought it should be noted that Kenora and Dryden do in fact receive Global television, with Dryden's feed being from (for some strange reason). Also, their CBC and CTV feed do not come from the Thunder Bay Television affiliate but rather from Winnipeg. I believe it is only Thunder Bay and the directly surrounding area which get Thunder Bay Television - having lived in Thunder Bay, Dryden, Winnipeg, and Edmonton.

Tiamatfire 08:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

" Although Progressive Conservative candidates have been elected in Northern Ontario from time to time, the region has been one of the weakest areas in all of Canada for both the PCs and their federal successor, the Conservative Party. It is in part due to the region's significant dependence on government investment that the Liberal Party has traditionally taken the majority of the region's seats at both the federal and provincial levels....... "

"from time to time" sounds like a guess. Dr. Robert Manion MP and later leader of the Conservative party held the federal seat for Fort William for 18 years, 1917 to 1935 in five elections. The list of politicians below the quoted area doesn't even mention him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.109.175.146 (talk) 05:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look at historical articles. They do get elected (and in the case of Comuzzi, invited into the conservative fold) but it is less common. They are constantly a distant third in the polls up here, especially in Thunder Bay where they get barely double the support of the greens. vıdıoman (talk • contribs) 07:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Your best source on Dr. R.J. Manion would be "Robert J. Manion Member of Parliament for Fort William, 1917-1935 by Roy H. Piovesana Published by the Thunder Bay Historical Museum Society in 1990. ISBN 0-920119-12-3. The list is also missing what might be the most important - C.D. Howe (minister of everything) who held the Port Arthur seat for the federal Liberals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.D._Howe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.109.175.146 (talk) 00:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

That's right, I was thinking of Langworthy and Cowan. (PA-TB; 1925 - 1935) :P vıdıoman (talk • contribs) 12:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Possible RS to use

Northern Ontario Overview. This source gives the land areas for each district (which in turn was obtained from StatsCan, which I could not quickly find on their website). I'll confirm that their definition of what districts make up Northern Ontario is consistent with ours, then I'll add the information. Ufwuct 20:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

In the map on the right, what does the green area represent?

As the article already states, the green area is the districts of Parry Sound and Muskoka, which are geographically in Central Ontario but are nonetheless included in the service area of FedNor. Bearcat 20:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

FedNor also now includes all rural areas in Southern Ontario. In fact, last time I checked their page more than 60% of the funds announced were going to places in Southwestern Ontario and the Outer Golden Horseshoe! Aside from FedNor, people in Southern Ontario generally consider the Muskokas and Parry Sound as the north, and the riding of Parry Sound—Muskoka is generally grouped in the north as well, which would also warrant their inclusion on a conditional basis. Otherwise, Northern Ontario is North of the French and Mattawa Rivers and Lake Nipissing. (A definition which excludes the eastern part of Nipissing District) vıdıoman (talk • contribs) 20:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

"Northern Ontario has a strong sense of identity separate from the rest of Ontario." Is this factual? No. Even if it was, it should say "THE PEOPLE OF Northern Ontario HAVE a strong sense..." unless the trees feel the same way.

Oh, the trees have enmity alright. They're pissed at the south. Vidioman 05:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Is there any source saying which mayor if any in Fort Frances advocated joining Manitoba or succession?--Picard102 (talk) 13:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was Drysdale, and as we all know, her article has been deleted. You could try a google search to see if any results come up. vıdıoman (talk • contribs) 14:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

first nation and metis

How many first nation and metis are there?--Kaiyr (talk) 12:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Territorial divide

There is nothing explaining why the territorial line between what was considered Ontario and Rupert's land is left. A reason for why the territory was divided like this would give greater historical context for the change from Rupert's land to Canadian territory. (Irishblackwolf (talk) 19:39, 2 February 2015 (UTC))