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MSNBC's Tamron Hall Slams Wash. Examiner's Tim Carney's Efforts To Dismiss As "Silly" Policies That Hurt Women

May 11, 2012 3:47 pm ET

From the May 11 edition of MSNBC's News Nation with Tamron Hall:

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Previously:

Republican "War On Women" Is Not A Left-Wing Invention

What War? Progressives Fight On Behalf Of Mothers

Rosen Uproar Is A Distraction From Policies That Hurt Women's Economic Opportunities

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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (May 11, 2012 3:58 pm ET)
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      I rhink Tamron Hall is great. She is smart, straightforward, and has no problem taking on fools.

      Oh yeah, she also drop dead gorgeous.
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      • Author by shaggles (May 11, 2012 4:10 pm ET)
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        "Oh yeah, she also drop dead gorgeous."

        Are you saying she's a "news babe?" ;)
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        • Author by canaanxing9025 (May 11, 2012 4:32 pm ET)
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          shaggles:

          "Are you saying she is a "news babe?" Not on your life!

          We see so many pretty faces reading the news off a telepromter. This woman is studied, intelligent and authentic. And for all you men out there - admit it - she is easy on eyes.

          Given the alternative (Fox News) which would you feel better about watching?

          It tickles me that she worked for Fox News Chicago. Chicago does have a way of separating the wheat from the chaff.
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        • Author by Bronwyn (May 11, 2012 10:17 pm ET)
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          Shaggles, before I saw your post I was thinking she is one of them most beautiful woman in the universe. Well, I always think that about her. She has it it all. A first class lady.

          She also looks like my favorite Aunt that lived to be 100, long gone now. Can you believe that Aunt never thought she was pretty, let alone beautiful? It would have helped if in her day, she saw people that looked like her on the TV and in magazines, maybe.
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          • Author by Bronwyn (May 11, 2012 10:53 pm ET)
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            ...is one of them most beautiful woman.. What? Sorry! one of the most beautiful women.....
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          • Author by Chameo (8 hours and 41 minutes ago)
               
            Yes. Reminds me of my mother -- not Tamron Hall, but your memories of your aunt. At 73, she's still easily one of the most beautiful women in any room and turns heads wherever she goes. In her 20s and 30s she was an absolute stunner -- but she was a dark-haired, dark-skinned Italian woman with "frizzy hair, wide hips and wide lips" -- her words. I know that means the people on TV and in magazines looked a lot more like her than they probably did like your aunt but when "pretty" means blond, blue-eyed and porcelain, anyone who doesn't fit can't possibly feel pretty, no matter how often they hear it from people in their lives.
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            • Author by Bronwyn (4 hours and 17 minutes ago)
                 
              Happy Mothers Day to you and your mother, Chameo. She sounds beautiful. That lasting head turning beauty has a lot to do with what's coming from the inside. And a natural born charisma. I suspect you possess those qualities, as well.

              Auntie had it all and every one commented on it. She had unbelievable style, even working in her yard she looked like a fashion plate and every room of her homes looked right out of a magazine. She was smart, witty and fun. Her not liking her appearance came from the Catholic Institution she was placed in at age 4-9, where it was the duty of the Nuns and priest to strip the children of their Indian ways. Then when she left the Reservation to go to college, she never met another Indian the entire time. And none of the women in magazines or the movies looked like her. Besides being separated from Papa and her family, her mother and two older brothers died at the same time (flu epidemic) so she never got that extra reasurance from a Mother figure when it was crucial.

              I witnessed my grandpa wipe tears away, when she would critisize her looks and by then he was in his nineties. He would declare "No Government will ever convince me I don't have the most beautiful children and grandchildren on earth." It broke his heart that she wasn't proud to be Indian. Her older sister was more rebellious and they didn't succeed in breaking her, she embraced being an Indian. But the school kept them separated.

              Society has come a long way since those days.
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              • Author by Chameo (2 hours and 53 minutes ago)
                   
                It has indeed, Bronwyn, but not far enough yet. Your grandfather sounds wise and loving and your aunt like someone I'd have loved to have known. A Happy Mother's Day to you, as well, lady, and a thank you for many hours of enjoyable reading thanks to your thought-provoking and insightful posts.
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                • Author by Bronwyn (2 hours and 39 minutes ago)
                     
                  Well, didn't you just make my week! The same to you.

                  I have to tell you, the story about the bullet going through your son's bedroom, ran chills through me. So glad he was sleeping on the couch, so scary.

                  Have a great evening.
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      • Author by wenfen (May 11, 2012 4:37 pm ET)
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        Definitely gorgeous.
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      • Author by Imbecile (May 11, 2012 5:02 pm ET)
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        Not just that, but that she was able to pick up on what most others would consider a throwaway descriptor is telling on how astute a listener she is.

        Most interviewers, reporters, journalists, what have you, would have not even heard Tim Carney use the term silly, because their focus would have been on the larger context of the War on Women(tm). This is why the Luntzification of our political discourse is so effective. Throwaway terms like silly get ignored because they are used so glibly during a conversation, but the connotation implants itself on the listener's psyche, so when they hear about the War on Women(tm) from then on, they have a Pavlovian response to it as something trivial and laughable.

        Listen to Republican Media Mouths when they speak; those who are vetted for public media appearances have been thoroughly Luntzified and will use language like this quite effectively. It's very subtle, and very dangerous.

        This is why it's okay to assume that most Republican followers are dimwits, but we should never, ever, underestimate the shrewd intellect of the strategists.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (May 11, 2012 5:17 pm ET)
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          Most interviewers, reporters, journalists, what have you, would have not even heard Tim Carney use the term silly

          The worst offender by far is Wolf Blitzer. He let's his nutjob guests get away with lie after lie.
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          • Author by MickD (May 11, 2012 8:11 pm ET)
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            Blizer, like David Gregory, is satisfied getting to his position. Once there, the heavy lifting is done, let the corporate talking points fly.
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    • Author by CoolSlaw (May 11, 2012 4:01 pm ET)
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      Gawd, how pathetic to watch a conservative talking about "distractions" those mean liberals are using to keep the media from talking about exactly what the republicans want them to.

      Awww, it's not so easy when you aren't controlling every single aspect of the national dialogue, is it?

      Shouldn't you be used to those "liberal media" monsters by now?
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      • Author by dogbreath (May 11, 2012 4:13 pm ET)
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        I think Obama and Democrats are pushing different ideas around the table, but they are doing it to force the hands of the GOP. Every time these clowns come out about a social issue, it makes them look foolish and out of touch. Obama's team is weaving a web here and it will be interesting to see where the last feast takes place.
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        • Author by CoolSlaw (19 hours and 8 minutes ago)
             
          I agree.

          It's sort of like the boy who cried wolf story, only the boy cries wolf about 100 times and also calls half the village's mothers obscene names before the village decides it has finally had enough. Conservative media has just pushed, lied, slandered, dismissed, distorted, and insulted the intelligence of the American people too many times, and we're starting to see push-back.

          Better late then never, but really at this point the tea-party pyramid scheme has gone well off the deep end.
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    • Author by Jimijams (May 11, 2012 4:04 pm ET)
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      You go Tammi!
      She used to be on the local Fox station in Chicago. Glad she made the move up.
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    • Author by shaggles (May 11, 2012 4:12 pm ET)
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      These guys are going to start stipulating that they not be interviewed by a woman.
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      • Author by mary59 (May 11, 2012 4:24 pm ET)
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        That was impressive. She actually took him on about Republican actions rather than letting him rattle on script.
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        • Author by Chameo (May 11, 2012 5:48 pm ET)
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          Tamron Hall totally rocks the house. Check out how she handled him in the next segment of this afternoon's show. It starts at about 4:30 in the clip. Tim Carney's all bu**-hurt about it.
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          • Author by bilbo_dies (May 11, 2012 7:51 pm ET)
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            "I'm done."

            Boy, what a strong willed........... uh... you know.



            I did enjoy that though.
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    • Author by pete x tp (May 11, 2012 4:12 pm ET)
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      We need much, much, more of this kind of courage from the "librul media". Alas, she will probably be forced to apologize.
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      • Author by Imbecile (May 11, 2012 4:19 pm ET)
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        We'll soon see an article somewhere on the wingnut blogosphere about how unfair Tamron Hall is and how she was triumphantly trounced by Tim Carney in that exchange.
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        • Author by Chameo (May 11, 2012 5:49 pm ET)
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          It's already all over Twitter and in comments on the story at HuffPo -- Tamron Hall was a bully. Carney was trying to answer her questions and she didn't like the answers so she had to cut his mike. I'm like... dudes, "get off my mike, you PINHEAD!!" Don't even talk to me about media host bullies.
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      • Author by dogbreath (May 11, 2012 4:20 pm ET)
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        I think that Tamron may just tell them where they can stick it if she is asked to. She doesn't suffer fools lightly.
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        • Author by Chameo (May 11, 2012 5:51 pm ET)
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          Never has. Guests mistake her Southern politeness -- she absolutely charmed me when she addressed an elderly woman guest as Miz Whatever while all the other guests were addressing the woman by her first name -- for weakness only to get slapped in the face with her tenacity when they try to blow her off with a non-answer.
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      • Author by bintx (May 11, 2012 4:25 pm ET)
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        Did you see Matthews and Barney Frank completely demolish Tony Perkins yesterday? WOW!
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        • Author by dogbreath (May 11, 2012 4:29 pm ET)
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          Tony Perkins is one of the most detestable of the clown patrol.
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        • Author by pete x tp (May 11, 2012 4:40 pm ET)
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          It was very fun. Normally, Tweety is just an idiot who is too in love with the sound of his own voice but, when he smells blood in the water, he can be really good.
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          • Author by bintx (May 11, 2012 4:46 pm ET)
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            I loved watching that smug, arrogant, self-righteous smirk disappear from Perkins' face.
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            • Author by Conchobhar (May 11, 2012 4:53 pm ET)
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              I loved watching him try to keep the smile going. The tension around the mouth was palpable, much like Alex Castellano's failed effort to smile at Rachel Maddow as she schooled him re. women's pay level vis. a vis. men's, on Meet the Press Sunday before last.
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            • Author by dogbreath (May 11, 2012 4:53 pm ET)
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              I just watched it. I am not usually a huge fan of Barney Frank, but man, he kicked Perkins' weaselly little butt on that one. I just want to say that I know several gay couples who have kids, and those kids are loved and cared for to perfection. Somehow, Perkins believes that if you unite a vagina and a penis in holy matrimony, parenthood just comes naturally. Please. Parenthood is much more than walking around with the "correct" anatomical parts. What a freakin' clown.
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              • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (May 11, 2012 5:55 pm ET)
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                So there is the basis of an argument to deny insurance coverage for viagra if the patient cannot prove that it is intended for the purpose of procreation. Using the Republicans' religious argument, men married to post-menopausal women have no need for viagra at all.
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                • Author by Chameo (May 11, 2012 6:21 pm ET)
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                  Oh, no. See, the argument for Viagra has nothing to do with procreation. The medical bureaucracy has decided that erectile dysfunction is -- well, look, it's right there in the name -- a dysfunction, and it can cause all kinds of psychological damage to the guy that can't "perform" -- therefore, Viagra and other ED drugs are for medical purposes, not for silly things like, you know, sleeping around and stuff.
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    • Author by Imbecile (May 11, 2012 4:17 pm ET)
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      There is a common thread of how these kinds of episodes play out--the episodes where a Republican Media Mouth somehow finds him or herself facing someone who won't just swallow their mindless rhetoric or their attempts to Luntzify a discussion.

      It goes:

      1. Republican Media Mouth makes nutty/dishonest claim.
      2. Republican Media Mouth gets called out on nutty/dishonest claim.
      3. Republican Media Mouth walks back nutty/dishonest claim and immediately tries to change subject.
      4. Interviewer asks Republican Media Mouth to explain/clarify/give examples of nutty/dishonest claim.
      5. Republican Media Mouth can't.
      6. Next day, Republican Media Mouth and every other Republican Media Mouth in America declares victory, calls interviewer someone in the pocket of Obama.
      7. Republican Media Mouth goes back to making nutty/dishonest claim, unencumbered by having to face a challenge.
      8. Same as it ever was.
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    • Author by einreb (May 11, 2012 4:34 pm ET)
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      You mean these silly little thangs? Pshaw!

      There were over 1100 antichoice provisions introduced in 2011 and 900 antichoice provisions introduced so far in 2012. Legislators in 13 states have introduced 22 bills seeking to mandate that a woman obtain an ultrasound procedure before having an abortion. Of these, seven states are pursuing the state-rape vaginal probe variety.

      Republicans not only want to reduce women's access to abortion care, they proposed redefining rape to only cases of "forcible rape" to deny access to women's health services

      In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care.

      Then you have the Rush Limbaugh thing

      Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids. 

      In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.

      Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers.
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      • Author by dogbreath (May 11, 2012 4:59 pm ET)
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        The third bill they introduced in Congress was to deny federal funding for abortions, despite the fact that the Hyde Amendment already prevents that from happening.

        They started this BS in 2010 and really haven't stopped since.
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        • Author by The_Cat (May 11, 2012 5:25 pm ET)
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          And somehow we're supposed to believe that all this far reich wing social legislation is really all about JOBS. Because that's what John Boehner said, he said he was going to be all about JOBS. I'm still waiting to hear anyone explain how anything Boehner and his worthless buddies on the Hill have done will create JOBS. Mr. Boehner, are you listening?
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    • Author by Chameo (May 11, 2012 5:33 pm ET)
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      I was watching when this went down. MM may put up the second part later but this was just the beginning of her slamming Carney. You can catch the the next section on the MSNBC website -- relevant part starts at about 4:30. Ms. Hall ripped Carney a new one when he tried to "go meta meta on" her and go off on a riff about "this is how the mainstream media stretch a non-story into a 2-day story". She starts out with "You don't want me to go anyTHING on you..." and ends with "Done. I'm done. Let me talk to Jimmy now..." and cuts his mike. Twitter totally blew up -- and Carney promptly whined about it on Twitter. Boy got his salted nuts toasted, roasted and served to him steaming hot.
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      • Author by jeffnky (May 11, 2012 5:57 pm ET)
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        I saw this live and it was great, very well done. Keep up the great work.
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    • Author by PBVV (May 11, 2012 7:11 pm ET)
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      Wooo Hooo Tamron!! You Go Girl!
      She is fantastically & awesomely fierce!
      That look in that screenshot is PRICELESS!!

      T. Carney--Yet another out of touch, in denial Right Winger who simply cannot grasp the fact that the troglodytes in his party are hell bent and determined to drag our nation and our society back to the 1930's, 40's & 50's by trying to legislate away every hard won advancement we have made in the arenas of Womens' Rights.
      As for Romney, well,
      hearing his sales pitch to that group in N.Carolina, it is clear that Romney is still stuck in Primary mode, making speeches that are written for him, reaching only the mindsets of Right Wing & Republican audiences, rather than all Americans.
      (I LOVE Romney's speechwriters! Muuaaahhh!)

      Statements from RomneyBot such as "old Liberal ideas of the past"
      and
      "a throwback to the liberal ideas of the past,"
      and
      "The ideas of the past should be left there"
      register verrrrry differently with Independents, Moderates, Centrists and most importantly, with Women --of ALL political persuasions.


      In spite of what Conservative Women display & say for the consumption of their crazy conservative menfolk and those female counterparts of the Crazy Shelly Bachmann Stepford variety, droves of Conservative Women do and will continue to secretly vote for the Party & Candidates who work to secure, protect and further Women's Rights & issues.

      So, Romney Campaign, Monday will be here before ya know it so, please, by all means, do keep feeding those kinds of statements and words to your Candidate for him to serve up to folks all across the USA this weekend.(Romney speechwriters--I absolutely LOVE Y'all!! Muuaahhh!)








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